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Buster · Feb 18, 2009, 05:15 AM // 05:15

I'm sure when its all said and done we will have a good GW2 but the wait for even the slightest bit of GW2 info is like pulling teeth at the dentists office, it hurts like hell.

warrior running · Feb 18, 2009, 05:31 AM // 05:31

I'm staying till I get my gwamm then probaly quit till gw2

CrustyEarl · Feb 18, 2009, 05:33 AM // 05:33

I waited 8 years for fallout 3, I'm sure I can handle 2-3 years till GW2

MarlinBackna · Feb 18, 2009, 05:35 AM // 05:35

What I don't get is all this hostility around the releasing of info about GW2/the release date/ANet's PR campaign. We all want to playing the same freakin' game! You are still going to at least buy the first game whenever it comes out, it's not like you will magically busy in 3 years, but not be busy in 2. This bickering is getting ridiculous. <_<

Shayne Hawke · Feb 18, 2009, 06:32 AM // 06:32

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We'll have a lot more to say when we're closer to release.

I like that line. That's good. We don't get a release date until "when it's done", and to top that, we won't get any real looks at what GW2 is going to be like until "closer to release".

ha ha ha, oh wow.

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whether that restructuring impacts ArenaNet's Guild Wars 2 development.

As far as many of us believe, GW2 development is sloooooooooooow. I don't really know how much of a negative or positive impact a restructuring will have, but it can't won't be some miracle of energy that puts GW2 out in 2010, so it doesn't really matter.

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we're going to take the time to do it right.

I'm of the belief that ANet knows what they did right with GW, what they did wrong with it, and what else they didn't do that can be done. Understandably, it would take some time to get all of those ideas to be collected and put into a working format. What I really hope is that they don't slip up on something key, because with all of the time that they're taking, missing out on something basic will make everything else that they succeeded in improving seem less spectacular.

Remainder of post deleted, because I don't want to be ranting too badly.

Skyy High · Feb 18, 2009, 06:32 AM // 06:32

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

I'm very well aware of that. They had 2 options: announce GW2, or keep quiet and not tell the community why they weren't making any more campaigns. However, I don't understand why you're telling me this, seeing as I said they had to explain why we weren't releasing any more campaigns (read: announce GW2) on the first page. If you're talking about my last post, I was simply comparing the differences between what ANet is doing with GW2 and what Blizzard is doing with D3, not asking why they announced it so early.

I'm telling you this because it's an asinine comparison. Blizzard got to choose when they first told the community about D3, and they chose to do it at a point when they could release a bunch of solid info about what the game would be like, including gameplay trailers. As you've now said, ANet didn't have that luxury. It's entirely possible that they hadn't even gotten past the concept mapping stage when they decided to put together their announcement for GW2, because they wanted to bundle it with GW:EN's release, which needed to happen for the HoM to make any sense. And again, they did release a substantial portion of the lore, and some concept art, with their announcement, as well as a preliminary feature list. The only deviation from the D3 timeline has been that they didn't release as much info initially, but that's not something you can hold against them, because they just didn't have that info when they needed to make the announcement.

As for the lack of updates since then, I point out two things: Blizzard did not, to my knowledge, release terribly much information in the time between announcing D3 and now, though it is starting to ramp it up a bit iirc. Secondly, if it's true that GW2 is coming in 2010/11/12, we may be more than 2 years away from the release date here, in which case we wouldn't even be at the "initial announcement" mark on the D3 release timeline. Any other company would have probably not said anything about a sequel at this point, and it's only because ANet had to discontinue expansions that they have a fanbase so rapidly clamoring for updates at such a relatively early point in development. None of the other major sequels that came out or are coming out soon - SC2, D3, Fallout 3, etc - had this kind of "omg no one will play the sequel because it's taking too long!" fervor surrounding their release.

thoth_au · Feb 18, 2009, 06:43 AM // 06:43

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

As for the lack of updates since then, I point out two things: Blizzard did not, to my knowledge, release terribly much information in the time between announcing D3 and now, though it is starting to ramp it up a bit iirc. Secondly, if it's true that GW2 is coming in 2010/11/12, we may be more than 2 years away from the release date here, in which case we wouldn't even be at the "initial announcement" mark on the D3 release timeline. Any other company would have probably not said anything about a sequel at this point, and it's only because ANet had to discontinue expansions that they have a fanbase so rapidly clamoring for updates at such a relatively early point in development. None of the other major sequels that came out or are coming out soon - SC2, D3, Fallout 3, etc - had this kind of "omg no one will play the sequel because it's taking too long!" fervor surrounding their release.

So what is the solution here? We have the community divided on acceptance of a long wait with no GW content and limited GW2 news and those who are put out that we will appear to get basically nothing for 2 years while we wait for something concrete regarding GW2.

Guess it is a case for Anet of damned if they do or damned if they dont...would hate to be them at the moment

Shayne Hawke · Feb 18, 2009, 06:57 AM // 06:57

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Originally Posted by thoth_au

So what is the solution here? We have the community divided on acceptance of a long wait with no GW content and limited GW2 news and those who are put out that we will appear to get basically nothing for 2 years while we wait for something concrete regarding GW2.

As soon as ANet knows a fairly general idea of what they're doing for GW2, show us something. Pictures, in-game. Footage, in-game. Not concept art. Something of anything they have at all, show it to us.

That will at least give us something to talk about amongst ourselves for a few months until we get itchy for even more info.

This brings me to an idea: I think I would give up my tri-monthly GW updates for a tri-monthly update/viewing of what's being developed in the GW2 universe.

FoxBat · Feb 18, 2009, 07:16 AM // 07:16

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

Have they ever cancelled Duke Nuken Forever?

Hell, StarCraft: Ghost actually got "postponed indefinitely", and not cancelled.

DNF is still being worked on, somehow. They let evidence leak out every now and then. They will probably never release it but as of at least several months ago, it was being worked on, and there are playable versions.

Blizzard makes no pretense of working on Ghost and they haven't released anything since. They canned what Nihlistic was doing as low-quality and haven't prioritized starting over with someone else.

Everyone loves poking at DN:F but truly it is the exception, and not the rule. Most games that disappear quietly you never hear of again. They don't have people writing letters that are pretending to work on it for years on end.

Aussie Boy · Feb 18, 2009, 07:27 AM // 07:27

Thanks for the ummm err "Info" but i hope you guys release it before December 21, 2012
Cause thats the end of the world if you believe the Mayan Calendar
and I'd really like to play a bit of GW2 before we all get wiped out.

pumpkin pie · Feb 18, 2009, 08:21 AM // 08:21

Guild Wars comes out roughly one year after WoW, if not mistaken.

Assuming that Guild Wars had launch before WoW. It would probably be the game that already sold 11 million copies like WoW, and WoW would probably be free to play like Guild Wars. (or this could be because WoW has more Asian community then Guild Wars, but i am gonna go with the first assumption)

One of the thing that players who play WoW don't move to Guild Wars is that they already are, sort of residents in WoW or other MMORPGs.

Assuming the above, if Guild Wars 2 delay further, more players are going to jump ship, suppose during those time, these players get hooked on other Pay to play MMORPG and has in those 2 year develop many high level characters, it is very likely they will not return because who wants to abandon their characters that they PAY money to create and level up, right? but abandoning Guild Wars is easy because you don't have to Pay and can return anytime.

Just a thought.

makosi · Feb 18, 2009, 11:40 AM // 11:40

I don't mind if it takes until 2011 for them to complete it. I'd like to see someone with 10 GWAMMs, one of each profession, on their account and this time will give that opportunity.

There are bugs built in to the GW1 platform which cannot be resolved b ythe means of a patch and I just hope that GW2 is free of them (among other possible bugs). Take yer time.

daze · Feb 18, 2009, 11:56 AM // 11:56

Me: WTB utopia.

ANet: WTS Utopia

me: Shure How much?

ANet: Nvm, how about GW2

Me: Shure, when?

ANet: ....

Me: ??

ANet: l8er

Me: WTF ANet Scammer

Me: WTB Utopia

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(Please tell me if that is not accurate, ill modify it if needed. )

MisterB · Feb 18, 2009, 12:10 PM // 12:10

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Originally Posted by daze

(Please tell me if that is not accurate, ill modify it if needed. )

Only missing bit is when ANet swapped GW:EN into the trade window.

Cacheelma · Feb 18, 2009, 12:10 PM // 12:10

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

Guild Wars comes out roughly one year after WoW, if not mistaken.

Assuming that Guild Wars had launch before WoW. It would probably be the game that already sold 11 million copies like WoW, and WoW would probably be free to play like Guild Wars. (or this could be because WoW has more Asian community then Guild Wars, but i am gonna go with the first assumption)

One of the thing that players who play WoW don't move to Guild Wars is that they already are, sort of residents in WoW or other MMORPGs.

Assuming the above, if Guild Wars 2 delay further, more players are going to jump ship, suppose during those time, these players get hooked on other Pay to play MMORPG and has in those 2 year develop many high level characters, it is very likely they will not return because who wants to abandon their characters that they PAY money to create and level up, right? but abandoning Guild Wars is easy because you don't have to Pay and can return anytime.

Just a thought.

I lol'd IRL. You can't be serious.

Also.-

WoW was released Nov. 23rd 2004.

Guild Wars: End of April 28th, 2005.

I.E. Less than 6 months apart.

pumpkin pie · Feb 18, 2009, 12:17 PM // 12:17

it adapted into eye of the north daze, but i wouldn't mind if they give us the chronomancer.

thinking out loud Cacheelma, who knows right. what if Guild Wars had been release first?

daze · Feb 18, 2009, 12:22 PM // 12:22

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Originally Posted by MisterB

Only missing bit is when ANet swapped GW:EN into the trade window.

lol oh yeah. i had a feeling i was missing something

Ate of DK · Feb 18, 2009, 12:49 PM // 12:49

I wouldn't be suprised if many people switched back to Diablo anyway.

I don't think that GW2 will have the succes that GW1 had. They say they sold 5,8mil. accounts but how many people do you know with multiple accounts? Also, I expect more games to join the non-fee strategy like GW.

Anet could have made a goldmine with GW1. More content. More support. And via the online shop: selling mini-pets in the online store, selling rare skin weapons for money (Not the 0,05% chance that an item drops)

If I'm not convinced with the first screenshots they will release then I go for what I allready liked: Diablo 3. Which probably will be released 2010/2011 as well. Does Anet really want to challenge Blizzards DIII? They'll lose I'm afraid.

Until then I've a few games that I await: Star Ocean 4 and Final Fantasy XIII. I don't play that many games.

Gun Pierson · Feb 18, 2009, 01:16 PM // 13:16

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

what if Guild Wars had been released first?

We would be 6 months closer to GW2 release at this point.

But we would still have to wait for more than a year at least.

If GW was released 6 months earlier, the game was prolly not that polished as it was now on release.

I had a wow account in those days. When GW came out I had it on release and never looked back to wow again. Simply because GW suited my gaming needs more.

You cracked me up with your second to last post there.

About Diablo3. I think a lot of peeps will play both. On top it's not bad to release GW2 after Diablo3 imo. Let folks hack and slash for several months first, GW2 mechanics will be a fresh breeze after that. Fans of GW1 will buy GW2, like fans from the Diablo series will buy Diablo3, even if years passed. Both titles will have totally new people coming in too.

In the long run, a lot will depend on the fun factor, gameplay and gamemechanics, replay value and endgame content of both titles.

Blizzard has a better strategic position at the moment though. They can wait for Diablo3 to release and go for SC2 first, which will be most likely an instant succes and will dominate the rts market. Versus Anet that has only one game, so the timing must be right. Probably the reason why they say nothing specific about GW2. Which results in no screenshots either.

The problem I have and I assume a lot of players is that there's nothing out there that satisfies me atm. And I tested a lot of stuff last year, EVE, Warhammer online, some 'hot' FPS etc. And that's why people like me would like to see more content in GW1 yes. Or Diablo3, I expect that can satisfy my gaming needs too, so now would be a great time to release it Blizzard

Rocky Raccoon · Feb 18, 2009, 01:35 PM // 13:35

Can anyone explain the obsessive need that some people have for screen shots? It seems to me that screen shots from a game 2 years away would have no useful purpose. I also would like to know why those same people have such a distrust of ANET. What has ANET done to warrant that distrust?